Comments on: Wadi Halfa to Dongola – The Paving of the Nubian Desert http://notacyclingblog.com/2010/01/wadi-halfa-to-dongola-the-paving-of-the-nubian-desert/ the places my bicycle takes me Sat, 07 Jan 2012 01:21:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Shanny http://notacyclingblog.com/2010/01/wadi-halfa-to-dongola-the-paving-of-the-nubian-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-1851 Shanny Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:52:18 +0000 http://notacyclingblog.com/?p=377#comment-1851 wow. Some lively debate. Great! I thank everyone for their comments. I am learning as I read everyone's personal insights. I will try to write another post this week and include some more pictures that I have from Sudan. So check back soon. Thanks wow. Some lively debate. Great! I thank everyone for their comments. I am learning as I read everyone’s personal insights.

I will try to write another post this week and include some more pictures that I have from Sudan. So check back soon.

Thanks

]]> By: Saad http://notacyclingblog.com/2010/01/wadi-halfa-to-dongola-the-paving-of-the-nubian-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-1850 Saad Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:03:36 +0000 http://notacyclingblog.com/?p=377#comment-1850 Dear Shanny, Thanks for posting the photos of your tour in the Nubian Desert. I haven't seen the area since 1964, the year when we were corralled from our lands, villages and towns in Wadi Halfa area and resettled in the Buttana plains in Eastern Sudan. I really enjoyed viewing the few pictures you posted in your site. Please post more pictures of the people, the villages, the Nile and the terrain as much as you can if you can. I am sure your visitors will enjoy these photos more than reading about a lengthy defense of Sudan government. Best Dear Shanny,
Thanks for posting the photos of your tour in the Nubian Desert. I haven’t seen the area since 1964, the year when we were corralled from our lands, villages and towns in Wadi Halfa area and resettled in the Buttana plains in Eastern Sudan. I really enjoyed viewing the few pictures you posted in your site. Please post more pictures of the people, the villages, the Nile and the terrain as much as you can if you can. I am sure your visitors will enjoy these photos more than reading about a lengthy defense of Sudan government.
Best

]]> By: Saad http://notacyclingblog.com/2010/01/wadi-halfa-to-dongola-the-paving-of-the-nubian-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-1849 Saad Thu, 23 Sep 2010 06:31:51 +0000 http://notacyclingblog.com/?p=377#comment-1849 Abu Rushdi, Shanny has spoken his mind and his heart about the Nubian people from Hafa to Dongla. I am pleased that he had a very positive impression about the people and the country. This is what counts. You keep harping on Mr. Shanny's views regarding the heavy handedness of your government. You know it and every Sudanese with an average IQ knows the heavy handedness of your government to the extent that meddles in everything including the dress people can wear. It is really disappointing that you ignore the positive views of Shanny and engage in a meaningless thread defending the government. Cheers! Abu Rushdi,
Shanny has spoken his mind and his heart about the Nubian people from Hafa to Dongla. I am pleased that he had a very positive impression about the people and the country. This is what counts. You keep harping on Mr. Shanny’s views regarding the heavy handedness of your government. You know it and every Sudanese with an average IQ knows the heavy handedness of your government to the extent that meddles in everything including the dress people can wear. It is really disappointing that you ignore the positive views of Shanny and engage in a meaningless thread defending the government.
Cheers!

]]> By: Abu Rushdi http://notacyclingblog.com/2010/01/wadi-halfa-to-dongola-the-paving-of-the-nubian-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-1848 Abu Rushdi Thu, 23 Sep 2010 04:47:36 +0000 http://notacyclingblog.com/?p=377#comment-1848 Hello again Abu, thank you for your insight, and your opinion. I won’t pretend to know enough about Sudan to make a strong argument, and I think my opinion on the matter surely would evolve and mature the more I learn about Sudan. I speak from my perspective on the experience and the knowledge I have gained along the way. I have been to the Sudan twice, and only for a short time each visit. And to truly understand a culture and its people… and its government takes much more time than that indeed. Hi Shany Thanks for your reply which I received only now. But since you know that ((to truly understand a culture and its people and its government takes much more time than that indeed)), as you rightly said, I can not understand how you came to a result such as ((Unlike the heavy hand of the Sudanese government, regular Sudanese people are some of the friendliest of any place I have travelled....))? Facts should be stated as they are after being proven. Thanks again. Hello again Abu, thank you for your insight, and your opinion.

I won’t pretend to know enough about Sudan to make a strong argument, and I think my opinion on the matter surely would evolve and mature the more I learn about Sudan. I speak from my perspective on the experience and the knowledge I have gained along the way.

I have been to the Sudan twice, and only for a short time each visit. And to truly understand a culture and its people… and its government takes much more time than that indeed.

Hi Shany
Thanks for your reply which I received only now. But since you know that ((to truly understand a culture and its people and its government takes much more time than that indeed)), as you rightly said, I can not understand how you came to a result such as ((Unlike the heavy hand of the Sudanese government, regular Sudanese people are some of the friendliest of any place I have travelled….))?

Facts should be stated as they are after being proven.

Thanks again.

]]> By: Shanny http://notacyclingblog.com/2010/01/wadi-halfa-to-dongola-the-paving-of-the-nubian-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-1847 Shanny Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:15:14 +0000 http://notacyclingblog.com/?p=377#comment-1847 Hi John, Thanks for your comments. all the best Hi John,

Thanks for your comments. all the best

]]> By: John http://notacyclingblog.com/2010/01/wadi-halfa-to-dongola-the-paving-of-the-nubian-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-1846 John Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:02:18 +0000 http://notacyclingblog.com/?p=377#comment-1846 Don't drink the water of the Nile ! Than you are sure you will be back ! Great and friendly people. We Europeans can learn from their hospitality . Living in Sudan more than two years I think Can confirm this . Take care Don’t drink the water of the Nile ! Than you are sure you will be back !
Great and friendly people. We Europeans can learn from their hospitality .
Living in Sudan more than two years I think Can confirm this .

Take care

]]> By: Shanny http://notacyclingblog.com/2010/01/wadi-halfa-to-dongola-the-paving-of-the-nubian-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-308 Shanny Fri, 26 Mar 2010 01:16:30 +0000 http://notacyclingblog.com/?p=377#comment-308 Hello again Abu, thank you for your insight, and your opinion. I won't pretend to know enough about Sudan to make a strong argument, and I think my opinion on the matter surely would evolve and mature the more I learn about Sudan. I speak from my perspective on the experience and the knowledge I have gained along the way. I have been to the Sudan twice, and only for a short time each visit. And to truly understand a culture and its people... and its government takes much more time than that indeed. Hello again Abu, thank you for your insight, and your opinion.

I won’t pretend to know enough about Sudan to make a strong argument, and I think my opinion on the matter surely would evolve and mature the more I learn about Sudan. I speak from my perspective on the experience and the knowledge I have gained along the way.

I have been to the Sudan twice, and only for a short time each visit. And to truly understand a culture and its people… and its government takes much more time than that indeed.

]]> By: Abu Rushdi http://notacyclingblog.com/2010/01/wadi-halfa-to-dongola-the-paving-of-the-nubian-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-307 Abu Rushdi Thu, 25 Mar 2010 04:03:41 +0000 http://notacyclingblog.com/?p=377#comment-307 Hi Shanny Thanks for your prompt response. However, for me your impressions about my good people is appreciated. Not most but all people in Sudan are friendly and hospital to their guests, but they flare up like a hell when they feel insulted or humilated. Sudanese are the only nation, may be on earth , to have overthrown 2 military regimes within 2 decades unarmed except of their will to restore democracy. If their government is of the kind you tried to expose then they will be the only party to deal with and throw it away. By the way can you explain one incident of hard hands of Sudan government that you have met and how does that compare to what you have been meeting from the government authorities in your country or in those countries you passed through during your journey?. volunteering un true information about a country (government+people) to serve a certain agenda is the main reason that ignites hatered between nations and lead to all the world instability we observe these days. I mean to let you know that its the difference of cultures that make people misunderstand the way of living of a nation. People are not the same all over the world in everything. They are the same in a sense they are all creatures of almighty God and they have the same organs and/or features. But each nation has its own culture, habits, norms and way of living. To describe a government that it is hard and separate from its nation or to describe a nation that is good but have a bad governemnt always comes with negative results. You may recall the reaction of the Sudanese people, pro government and unti government, towards Okambo's decision to take their leader Omer Al Bashir to the International Court of Criminals. In fact it added to the popularity of President Bashir and strenghthend the solidarity of Sudanese people and most of all showed the douple standard way of the so called civilised world in addressing world issues. Thanks for your tolerance. Hi Shanny
Thanks for your prompt response. However, for me your impressions about my good people is appreciated. Not most but all people in Sudan are friendly and hospital to their guests, but they flare up like a hell when they feel insulted or humilated. Sudanese are the only nation, may be on earth , to have overthrown 2 military regimes within 2 decades unarmed except of their will to restore democracy. If their government is of the kind you tried to expose then they will be the only party to deal with and throw it away. By the way can you explain one incident of hard hands of Sudan government that you have met and how does that compare to what you have been meeting from the government authorities in your country or in those countries you passed through during your journey?. volunteering un true information about a country (government+people) to serve a certain agenda is the main reason that ignites hatered between nations and lead to all the world instability we observe these days.
I mean to let you know that its the difference of cultures that make people misunderstand the way of living of a nation. People are not the same all over the world in everything. They are the same in a sense they are all creatures of almighty God and they have the same organs and/or features. But each nation has its own culture, habits, norms and way of living. To describe a government that it is hard and separate from its nation or to describe a nation that is good but have a bad governemnt always comes with negative results. You may recall the reaction of the Sudanese people, pro government and unti government, towards Okambo’s decision to take their leader Omer Al Bashir to the International Court of Criminals. In fact it added to the popularity of President Bashir and strenghthend the solidarity of Sudanese people and most of all showed the douple standard way of the so called civilised world in addressing world issues.
Thanks for your tolerance.

]]> By: Shanny http://notacyclingblog.com/2010/01/wadi-halfa-to-dongola-the-paving-of-the-nubian-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-306 Shanny Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:55:30 +0000 http://notacyclingblog.com/?p=377#comment-306 Hi Abu, For me to speak of Sudanese people in general terms as being "some of the friendliest" is certainly just my opinion. Perhaps it is more accurate for me to say that the majority of the people I met in Sudan were very friendly. I appreciate you sharing your comments and your point of view. Hi Abu,

For me to speak of Sudanese people in general terms as being “some of the friendliest” is certainly just my opinion. Perhaps it is more accurate for me to say that the majority of the people I met in Sudan were very friendly.

I appreciate you sharing your comments and your point of view.

]]> By: Shanny http://notacyclingblog.com/2010/01/wadi-halfa-to-dongola-the-paving-of-the-nubian-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-305 Shanny Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:49:49 +0000 http://notacyclingblog.com/?p=377#comment-305 Hi Kat, Thanks for the comment. How vast it felt? hmmm. Before the paved road it surely felt infinite at times without any good reference points that I am familiar with - nothing that told me I am 32 km from somewhere, or a sign telling me "caution roadworks ahead" or village ahead etc. This was certainly intimidating at times. I knew that I was not alone, and that I had support, but when you don't physically see anyone else around you start questioning yourself and worrying where you are headed/where you have come from. In retrospect I also think of the people that live in such areas, and the challenges that come along with this life. I hope you continue to check into my blog from time to time. Take care Hi Kat,

Thanks for the comment. How vast it felt? hmmm. Before the paved road it surely felt infinite at times without any good reference points that I am familiar with – nothing that told me I am 32 km from somewhere, or a sign telling me “caution roadworks ahead” or village ahead etc.

This was certainly intimidating at times. I knew that I was not alone, and that I had support, but when you don’t physically see anyone else around you start questioning yourself and worrying where you are headed/where you have come from.

In retrospect I also think of the people that live in such areas, and the challenges that come along with this life.

I hope you continue to check into my blog from time to time. Take care

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